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Mittwoch, 17. Mai 2006

Asking the wrong question about GCJ

Luya is wondering whether Sun's recent press release, stating that they will be allowing distribution of their closed binary Java stack together with the operating system such as debian, fedora et al., means something for the GCJ project or Fedora.

The GCJ project is the GNU Compiler for Java, which aims to be a free replacement for the proprietary JDK from Sun. Right now, it's not there yet, but it's getting there.
However, it's good enough to compile the Java bits from OpenOffice. More about Java on Fedora can be seen on the Fedora Wiki.
For the casual user GCJ is enough. I've been using it for my University assignments exclusivly and it works like a charm. Even though, the compilerun is slooooow.

Anyway, back to Luya's question. Will the ability to ship the closed source JRE and JDK mean that Fedora's focus will shift from GCJ and Classpath?
The easy answer is no.
Fedora is all about free and open software. This will mean, that a closed source Java stack won't get into the Fedora Core nor will it get into Fedora Extras.
In case you need the JRE or JDK from Sun for your Fedora installation, the JPackage Project has some good RPMs.

Actually, the real question should have been, does Sun feel that it's hand is being forced by projects such as GCJ and GNU Glasspath?

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Andreas,

presumably you've seen the commotion on the jpackage lists about the new sun license. jpackage.org appear to believe that it's even more restrictive than the old license.

https://www.zarb.org/pipermail/jpackage-discuss/2006-May/009919.html

#1 huw-l (Homepage) am 17.05.2006 14:19 (Antwort)

Ohh great. Actually I haven't seen that Discussion yet.

Thanks for the pointer.

The new license is a real slammer.

#2 ixs (Homepage) am 17.05.2006 14:33 (Antwort)

I thought there was no new Java license yet. Actually, I read an article on Slashdot today that they're 'asking developers to provide feedback on how to best get there and prevent forking and fragmentation' (http://developers.slashdot.org/developers/06/05/16/1756226.shtml).

I know a license that prevents forking is not quite GPL, but you're talking about a 'closed source Java stack'. There is no such thing as a closed source Java stack. The source for Java has been available forever. The license just didn't allow distributing it (so Linux distro's can't ship it on their .iso's).

#3 Nils Breunese am 17.05.2006 15:27 (Antwort)

There is a new license already. Take a look at http://download.java.net/dlj/DLJ-v1.1.txt.
Especially Part 2.

The Java Sources available as the src.zip file are just the majority of the runtime library.

The complete source of the virtual machine is only available after signing a contract. And as far as I know, the garbage collector and the JIT-parts are not available as source.

That is pretty closed source to me. Not unlike Microsoft's Shared Source Initiative.

#4 ixs (Homepage) am 17.05.2006 15:39 (Antwort)

huw-l -- That's not more restrictive than the old license, which has similar but what appear to be more strongly-worded clauses. This one has the phrase "run in conjunction with", which, in my non-lawyer reading, seems to cover some sort of wrapper/helper-app system -- not merely including GCJ in the same distribution.

But really, lawyers probably need to know.

#5 Matthew (Homepage) am 17.05.2006 16:25 (Antwort)

Sun isn't worried about GCJ/Classpath as much as they are worried about Mono. Since the Red Hat lawyers have now decided that Mono is safe to include, Sun's worried that the FLOSS world will go with C# in preference to Java.

#6 Joe Buck am 17.05.2006 18:33 (Antwort)

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