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Asking the wrong question about GCJ
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Andreas,
presumably you've seen the commotion on the jpackage lists about the new sun license. jpackage.org appear to believe that it's even more restrictive than the old license.
https://www.zarb.org/pipermail/jpackage-discuss/2006-May/009919.html
presumably you've seen the commotion on the jpackage lists about the new sun license. jpackage.org appear to believe that it's even more restrictive than the old license.
https://www.zarb.org/pipermail/jpackage-discuss/2006-May/009919.html
Ohh great. Actually I haven't seen that Discussion yet.
Thanks for the pointer.
The new license is a real slammer.
Thanks for the pointer.
The new license is a real slammer.
huw-l -- That's not more restrictive than the old license, which has similar but what appear to be more strongly-worded clauses. This one has the phrase "run in conjunction with", which, in my non-lawyer reading, seems to cover some sort of wrapper/helper-app system -- not merely including GCJ in the same distribution.
But really, lawyers probably need to know.
But really, lawyers probably need to know.
I thought there was no new Java license yet. Actually, I read an article on Slashdot today that they're 'asking developers to provide feedback on how to best get there and prevent forking and fragmentation' (http://developers.slashdot.org/developers/06/05/16/1756226.shtml).
I know a license that prevents forking is not quite GPL, but you're talking about a 'closed source Java stack'. There is no such thing as a closed source Java stack. The source for Java has been available forever. The license just didn't allow distributing it (so Linux distro's can't ship it on their .iso's).
I know a license that prevents forking is not quite GPL, but you're talking about a 'closed source Java stack'. There is no such thing as a closed source Java stack. The source for Java has been available forever. The license just didn't allow distributing it (so Linux distro's can't ship it on their .iso's).
There is a new license already. Take a look at http://download.java.net/dlj/DLJ-v1.1.txt.
Especially Part 2.
The Java Sources available as the src.zip file are just the majority of the runtime library.
The complete source of the virtual machine is only available after signing a contract. And as far as I know, the garbage collector and the JIT-parts are not available as source.
That is pretty closed source to me. Not unlike Microsoft's Shared Source Initiative.
Especially Part 2.
The Java Sources available as the src.zip file are just the majority of the runtime library.
The complete source of the virtual machine is only available after signing a contract. And as far as I know, the garbage collector and the JIT-parts are not available as source.
That is pretty closed source to me. Not unlike Microsoft's Shared Source Initiative.
Sun isn't worried about GCJ/Classpath as much as they are worried about Mono. Since the Red Hat lawyers have now decided that Mono is safe to include, Sun's worried that the FLOSS world will go with C# in preference to Java.